Episode 119- Yael Margelisch and building confidence

Yael on final glide in Brazil, breaking the world record (531 km).

Yael Margelisch began flying ten years ago at the age of 19. She’s an Ozone and Swiss national team pilot, has been on the podium ten times on the world cup, is the first woman to fly over 500 km and owns the current female distance world record of 531 km, previously held the women’s FAI record (263 km) and is gunning hard for a 2021 Red Bull X-Alps campaign (she supported Michael Witschi in 2015). Suffice it to say she’s chasing it hard! In this episode we discuss her acro training and a recent accident, working with Thomas Theurillat with OneDay coaching, chasing the world record and the mental game of going big, how to fly “free”, developing the right mindset for a world record, how to focus on the process instead of the numbers, and a lot more. Enjoy!


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Show Notes:

  • Corona and flying
  • Throwing a reserve and bouncing off a car
  • Fear and fear injuries
  • Mindset and mental training
  • FLOW and accessing the flow channel
  • X-Alps academy
  • Physical training
  • What’s most worrying about the X-Alps
  • Comp flying approach
  • How to take chances
  • The “book of rules”
  • The pace of the Red Bull X-Alps

Mentioned in this episode:

Ozone, Coronavirus, Clement Latour, Chrigel Maurer, Thomas Theurillat, Aaron Durogati


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1 (13s):
Hi there everybody. Welcome to another episode of the Cloudbase. Mayhem. Seems like most places in the world are back to flying, so that's pretty exciting and you shall see how things go. It has been a strange time, but hopefully you all are getting a little bit of air time. It seems like all of the competitions for the most part this summer have all been canceled, but still hoping for some maybe some hike and fly events and maybe some things in the fall. But anyway, hope you're flying. Hope you're being safe and hope you're all healthy.

1 (45s):
My guest today is Yael Margelisch, a Swiss pilot who lives in Verbier. It's a very special place to my art and is where I cut my teeth in a sense. She started flying to and when she was 19 she is an Ozone team. Pilot flies the Enzo three. Many of you will recognize her name from the world record. She broke last year. She has a few world records. She has the current F.A.I. Try and record 263 K in the Alps and she had, she beat the world record last fall, a beating out in Marcello Choa on a Brazilian who is also on the show flying for her 42 K.

1 (1m 21s):
And then about 10 days later she went 531 case. So she's the only woman who's flown over 500 K and currently owns the world record. And until very recently, that would have been D world record, uh, the, the boys down in Brazil, Raphael and in, and those guys had the, uh, record just slightly longer than that at five 60 for. And then this year they went even a little bit further than that. I think it's five 78, like I have that right. But anyway, a fascinating person. She's gone in for the X out.

1 (1m 52s):
She really wants to get in the X Alps in 2021 she would have applied in 2019 but hand a little bit of an injury that we hear about in this show. And also to hear about her incident leave last year where she threw her reserve and Landon on a moving car, which is pretty interesting. But that all worked out. Okay. So talk a little bit about safety and a lot about training and getting ready for the X. Alps Yael is another person who is working with Thomas. They're a lot, we seem to be on that theme lately. If you didn't catch that show at Thomas, it's people really enjoyed that one a day.

1 (2m 26s):
That was a lot of fun working with him in his kind of making a show and it's a great chapter in the book. Also. The book is pretty much written. We're just in the final editing phase and it's getting really close and hope it out to you and have it available to you all very shortly. So keep on the lookout for that. So enjoy this talk with Yael Margelisch a Ozone team pilot and current women's world record holder. Cheers.

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2 (3m 4s):
Yeah, that's great to have you on the show. And I know we're, uh, we've got a lot of time, you and I right now to be doing these kinds of things, but you were just saying before we started recording that you're, you just showed me your beautiful view out at your door there. You're living above Verbier and that's where you're from, right?

3 (3m 20s):
Yeah, exactly. That's where I grew up. So in the mountains and it's quite, it's a bit far from the town, so it's quite white and I like it.

2 (3m 29s):
Yeah. Perfect place to hide out from Corona right now. And I understand Switzerland is that it hasn't banned flying, but its just highly suggested not to. How are you, how has everybody kind of, uh, approaching flying right now on social media?

3 (3m 44s):
I mean I see paragliders every day. So kind of terminals and local flying and yeah, it's not bad, but it's like quite recommended not to, not to fly of course for the accidents and you had to stay like with a good solid solidarity, a mind and so on. So yeah, it's still allowed. I mean people still fly a little bit, but not so much. And yeah, I think it's,

2 (4m 10s):
So how did you get into flying? How long has this been a pursuit of yours?

3 (4m 16s):
So it's been 10 years now that I have the license. So I started, I was 19 and uh, yeah, I started here by seeing the orders, training that they Underhill next to my house. So that's how I started. And I really, at the beginning it was not so easy to fly like very often because I was still studying and yeah, it was a bit hard and I didn't get the good confidence at the beginning, so then I could fly much more, much more when I finished the studies.

3 (4m 50s):
And then when I got really involved into it, I really liked it and dedicate my life to flying.

2 (4m 57s):
Is this, is this now your job, is this what you do or are you still pursuing what you studied?

3 (5m 2s):
No, I, the studies, I finished them and I thought that I would never work in this. Um, I was studying social, social works with a, like any kind. It was either kids or all of the older people that are also on. And I really, yeah, it was not my, my dream life. So I started being a ski instructor in winter and I really liked it. So I kept the, I did the whole formation to be a certified ski instructor and then started a, in the summer I didn't many different types of jobs, so small jobs to earn a bit of money.

3 (5m 43s):
And then I did the tendon license and uh, after I left, I've been living for tandems in the summer and skiing in a winter.

2 (5m 53s):
Mm. So the, that is that still it has sponsorship started playing a more of a role or because you're flying on the Swiss team and competing, is there help you get from the Swiss Federation?

3 (6m 5s):
Yeah, of course I get, I get helps from the Federation and also so the money when I do a good results too. So that's pretty good. And you are on the spot, the sponsor side. Um, I'm now with the, the town of Verbier, so they give me a wing every, every year. So it's pretty good. And yeah, I'm still looking for the big one that will allow me not to go to work at all in the summer. So really focused on training and flying.

3 (6m 38s):
But yeah, now it's difficult times and I think it's not going to be for this year.

2 (6m 43s):
Right, right. And I, you know, I've been kind of following you and we were in touch years ago and you know, when you supported Michael in the 2015 X Alps but I gather that your initial drive or your initial pursuit was a competition flying you, you've been doing a lot of world cups and that kind of thing. Is that right? Or have you been kind of into the hike and fly thing all along as well?

3 (7m 7s):
No, no, I was, I started Willy the competition in 2015. Like, it was more to, to discover new places and to learn how to fly fast and uh, yeah, that worked pretty well and I got good results and you know, hanging out with people that have the same, uh, same passion and so on. And I really liked it. And with the older Swiss team, it was not a problem because I also speak German. So he was pretty cool and they always had fun doing that.

3 (7m 40s):
Actually, I'm interested in, I can fly since a long time. Like when, when I supported which Richie the deal was you D I do the X out with you this year and in two years I'm doing it, uh, with you as a supporter. So it was an Xchange role and the AF for the moment I could then I could not do it because of some nice problems and yeah, I hope for 2021

2 (8m 7s):
So, yeah. And we're going to get to that. And you're training and I know you're pursuing that and I'll have to find out who your supporter is. I'm assuming it might be your boyfriend, but that would be, he'd be a great supporter I would think and given his background with it, but we'll, we'll get to that. But what happened to your knees?

3 (8m 23s):
Yeah. So actually I had a tendency, a resulting for four from a foot fracture that I had a rescue, uh, incident in January, 2018. And, um, I landed in, uh, on a car which was driving actually, and I'm with the rescue and yeah, at this moment the ambulance came and so on.

3 (8m 53s):
And yeah, I went to the hospital and they checked the back of course, because it's what they, what they expect. You have four injuries when you, when you have a paragliding in incidents. And they checked my back and I had nothing so I could send it up. And then the diamond standing up, I said, ah, my food is quite painful. And they said, yeah, no worries. If she's still painful in one week, you can go to the doctor and he would check it. So one week after I went to the doctor and the doctor said, yeah, it's not a blue, it's not not walled.

3 (9m 26s):
So no worries. There is nothing you can keep doing some physiotherapy and to strengthen the ankle. And so, yeah, I believe that the doctors and in India and in November I went to the doctor again and said, yeah, we have to figure out what's wrong with that because there's something wrong I'm sure. And they went and yeah, we figured out my, that my foot was broken four, 10 months. So I got to surgery straight away in the last year was no skiing in the winter, so I could, uh, when I got the surgery, I said to the, to the doctor that my goal was to go to the super final in, in March, in March.

3 (10m 10s):
And he said, yeah, I would not say that you're going to go, but let's see. And I really put everything I had in my hands to get to get ready for that. In India it worked. And there was a critical to start the season like this, like no, flying in India. And uh, I got a second at the soup Trinal so yeah, it was a good thing. I was going to say, well before we get to that, how did you land on a moving car? I was training some, a rhythmic to go in an infinity and I put two early diploid a collapsed and I got um, I have a macro based system that my lines were around a head and I could just throw the, the wrong one.

3 (10m 55s):
I was super high actually a way. I was maybe at 2000 meters about the Valley and it started drifting and on the right way, like a way with open fields and so on. I said, yeah, that's, that's good. And then start on your way at all? No, there is a river shit. If I learned in a river and then I was really above the, the small village there, I thought you're a shit. If I lend on a roof I will fall down and hurt myself and Indian, they landed here on a small, really small road. It's the road, the in between the houses and the Ko is going there at the same moment.

3 (11m 29s):
So I shouted She really break and this I landed on the, on the front window close. The lady was like terrified, but I could not really choose kind of bounce. Did she hit pretty hard? No, I broke the, I brought to the screen. So with the, with the new could see a really two impacts like my bumper and my foot.

2 (11m 58s):
Whoa. Have you, have you had any other accidents? Fine.

3 (12m 3s):
Nope. It's the only serious accident I had.

2 (12m 7s):
And you're, you're, you were there in Verbier, you're, you're describing this as you were, you were to train and over the, over the Valley there. Yeah. You guys have a fantastic place to train over the dirt. They're in verbiage that's, and that's an awesome,

3 (12m 18s):
So now I'm still, yeah, infinity bling is, I do only tumbles. I don't do anymore. Some rhythmic because I'm still like kind of super scared and yeah, it's hard for me.

2 (12m 31s):
Did, did coming back from that affect your other type of flying too or was it really just specific to doing rhythmic and that kind of thing? Or was it, was there any other kind of, I dunno, fear, injury involved with that?

3 (12m 43s):
No, it was just a Jew. Just a really the rhythmic side and the acro side theater way. I threw some reserves, a true two reserves in competitions and yeah, there is was more, much more difficult to get back into it, like really be, uh, confident about myself. It was the first one was in a day to day yet two was in the Swiss open ones in a decent office and the other one in a single barrel and the two times I got again, super lucky and yeah, it was mistakes from my side and yeah, the end then I have nothing, so it's pretty good.

3 (13m 25s):
But yeah, it could be worse.

2 (13m 27s):
Did your acro training change at all? How you approach the two times you threw your reserve, did they, did you find your accurate training helped you to know when to throw or did that affect at all either of those incidents?

3 (13m 42s):
Not really because you're not a CRO are all the time I pulled was a base system and it's quite different. So yeah, it's not really help or I think it's just a reflex I had and it was pretty good because there was, the rescue always opened well and so on.

2 (14m 3s):
You said you in 2015, you kind of had to deal with Michael that the next time in 2017, it would be flipped. You said you got hurt in 2018 was there another reason you didn't do the 2017 race? You just don't,

3 (14m 17s):
Yeah, I thought I was not ready. Like not, not enough trained and not enough flying also with a commitment. So yeah.

2 (14m 26s):
Um, so I just recorded a show no a week ago and it isn't even live yet with Thomas owl. Gosh, I won't even try that. Uh, and he talked to, you know, I asked him a lot of questions of course about Kriegel and about one day coaching, but I'm fascinated to learn about what you've been learning from him cause I understand you're doing some, you've done some coaching with him and you, you guys were working together before you went to Brazil and broke the world record last year.

2 (14m 56s):
I'd love to hear about that cause he mentioned that, that he, he was talking about the, they call at the time jump in. Of course. I don't know what he, what those words are in German, but he talks about that he had you kind of visualize what the story that you wanted to tell after you broke the world record before you went to Brazil. Maybe. Maybe you could tell us about that.

3 (15m 19s):
Yeah. We've been working for for five years now with me, with Thomas, so really at at my beginning, so I started working with him and at the beginning for me it was really about the, I had problems with self confidence, so really being sure of myself and knowing what I can do and so on. He really helped me this way to set my goals and to get to see what was important to get to a good performance mode so it's a good flow.

3 (15m 50s):
So we kept working on that. For us for a long time. In Brazil it's a bit different. Also in in the world cup, when you focus on the earth like more than on your flying, you start doing some things, not tried because you're not, they're only to compare but also to a friend and others must be really a a like indication of the air mass but not competitors when you fly in Brazil. It was funny because we were fighting about against numbers so it was like yeah we want to go there and we have this, this much kilometers and at the beginning it was pretty hard to get set and to understand also a bit how it's going because its kind of different type of flying with the wind and so on.

3 (16m 37s):
And then I broke the first uh, first time the world records so I was pretty happy but still not super happy with the flying style like I was, I was too much focused on the, on the performance and I was too careful and yeah I was not flying Free and didn't enjoy it as much as the five hundreds and then say Colebrook at the top of the two days later. So that was like for me is still a yeah now we're going to do it again.

3 (17m 9s):
And uh yeah it was difficult also because I kind of saw yeah the whole different approach of it like in the post and so on and I got like yeah, yeah and now I got to get better and then we tried, we tried, we bombed out like four times the next day so it was really hard and then the day before the last day, so we had a chat together with my partners came on and renown, we decided like to not focus on a number, like to be more Free, try to do the things correctly and not too the problem is when you want to be too first, sometimes you just, especially at the beginning of the flight you take too much risk and then your, your your London and that's come super fast and then your, you have the whole day to think about what you did, did not do right.

3 (18m 2s):
So its kind of hard. So with, we tried to go to go with that, a kind of a mindset and yeah, it worked pretty well. And then when we saw also that we all three survive on the two first hours, then we had a good in. So we thought, yeah, now that's going to bring it to the end.

2 (18m 25s):
Thomas mentioned in the show that, you know, when you approach something like Brazil or X Alps are in a marathon, doesn't matter. He used them. He used a marathon as as the example that you can have three types of goals. You know, the first goal is, okay, I want to win or be third or be on the podium or be top 10. And he said, those are just stupid. You know, those are ridiculous goals that it doesn't.

2 (18m 55s):
And then you can have performance go goals, which can be really useful, you know, so like say on the X Alps you want to be able to climb 3000 feet in an hour, whatever, that that would be a performance goal or um, in a marathon you wanna run a marathon and for hours, the problem with performance goals is that a lot of other people could do the same thing. You know, the many other people on the X out, a lot of people on, in the X Alps can climb 3000 feet in an hour, you know? Um, so he really focuses on the process side of things.

2 (19m 28s):
It sounds like, it sounds like that's kind of what you and Claremont and you all decided to do is okay, well then instead of chasing the world, record the number, let's just fly. Well,

3 (19m 38s):
Exactly. Yeah. It's more about all, all what's behind and what's the feelings and yeah, it's, I think everybody's different, but for me is really when I focus on a number on another person, I just lose the, the fun of flying. And the, the reason why I love it so much. So that brings me into not into a good performance mode, like into the flow. We are actually calling it the flow. So yeah, for me it really, it's really important to have like process goals.

3 (20m 13s):
You can always analyze and also see when, when you reach it or not. And it's a, it's a good tool.

2 (20m 21s):
What did your team, how did you guys prepare for even going to Brazil? Was there a lot of practice team flying before you went or was it more sitting down at night and just talking about strategy and tactics and that kind of thing?

3 (20m 36s):
So, uh, with Clem, uh, with Claremont, we never been there and Reynold was there the last, the year before. So he had really good information, the flying and what we can expect and also the towing because we never told before with chemo. So it was kind of form for me before going, I was kind of scared of what stowing and how's going to go with, uh, with strong winds and so on. And yeah, it was interesting. And then we, we flew a bit together, I flew with a Renaldo a bit and a claimant was not the available on this day.

3 (21m 14s):
And yeah, we, we also had some dinners together, two to read, see the way, what we're going to have there and set also someone, some tables with the distance and the hours so we can see that if we are to a board the flight because we're not gonna make it to the, to the Mark of the world record or not. And uh, yeah, that was helpful. And yeah, now it's very different because after going there we can see that we were not ready on many points, like not the material side and not the, the mental side, but more the, all the papers with the FII to certify records and so on.

3 (21m 56s):
And also the way points we have to use. And we lost a lot of time doing this. And yeah, now we know that, uh, that was a bit of a weakness. And, um, we know also the better the place and what's going on and how hard or the two first hours to, to stay in a year. And yeah, we hope we were going to go again this year on a check what's going on.

2 (22m 21s):
Goodwin, you mentioned that when you contacted Thomas and started working with him five years ago or so, that one of the, one of the main things you want it to work on, it was a lack of confidence. How do you, how does he approach that? I mean, I think many people can relate to that.

3 (22m 40s):
I think it's, I don't know because I haven't speak with much people about that, but I know that I'm always, that's my, I always been like that. It's been thinking that I'm not doing good enough or so on and degrade myself and yeah, I don't know about the other people, what they really need. But for me it was a really good approach on the thing. And also when you get doubts, so you analyze and try to do to fix the thing that you, you find back good flow like,

2 (23m 14s):
Hmm. So, so really the what he's helped you with his is more easily accessing the flow channel. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Okay. So letting kind of letting your subconscious do more of the work. Don't let your conscious mind get in there with doubts is pretty much. Yeah. Huh. Can you, can you share in specific ways how he's done that with you?

3 (23m 40s):
So for me I got like I was a taking the the points that are making the flight good or not. So like it's fun, it's focus how I feel that day. What was the next one was for them and yeah, how confident also I feel just so the feeling of the body and the feeling of the confidence and all that like trying to get to a hundred percent with all of these um, points was bringing me into good like flow.

3 (24m 17s):
And for me it was really those, the things, there was the, they were the keys and I know how to feel well so I have to eat well, sleep well and not drink so much normal. And for the confidence sometimes it's a bit harder to, yeah, sometimes you know when there is a lot of wind of they on takeoff and you know nobody's going in you and you start thinking about how is it in a year is to just have to go and see and then how you feel in there and we'll, we'll see if you go lending or not.

3 (24m 54s):
And yeah, with all these points I managed to have this, this channel that that was bringing me into a good flow or not.

2 (25m 4s):
You're thinking about or you're planning on a understand, you know, depending on covert obviously in your, your knee, uh, you're trying, you're planning on the X Alps for 21 I'm curious. Right? Oh you know I wanted to ask you first, are you a part of the X Alps Academy? Have you been doing any of those?

3 (25m 24s):
I'm part of it but actually sits quite hard to go to every, every training and so on because they all, they take place a lot in, in the weekends and the weekends I'm doing tenants. So yeah, its kind of hard. So it's also next note next to my home. So now I'm focused more on the M on the physical side. A I took a coach like is doing some, some plans for training and I think it's better.

3 (25m 55s):
So, and I also can, can chat with Michael to, to have all the information he can give me for the X Alps.

2 (26m 3s):
And will you do any, you know, uh, any smaller races on the, I know you're planning on the air tour, but will you do like the Uyghur tour or a vertical fly or grew year? Any of those and preparation for the X Alps next year.

3 (26m 17s):
So for sure I will do the, this year the deer to if it takes places and a or otherwise if not, I plan to go on the vertical fly, which is a much smaller rise. So let, yeah, let's see now it's in the middle of the middle of the summer and I had the European championships. So yeah, its kind of not so easy to mix everything

2 (26m 45s):
Going into, you know you've been around the X Alps quite a bit in you live in Europe so that helps. But also because you supported Michael in 2015 and you know, obviously you sounds like you've been doing some work with Kriegel and the X Alps Academy, which is, that just looks awesome. I'm so envious and jealous of that. But when I, before my 2015 race, I had a lot of a doubt and just, I just had really no idea what I'd signed up for. And it'll mean a lot of ways.

2 (27m 15s):
There was a lot of trepidation because I just, honestly, I had no idea if I was just going to get eliminated write in the beginning or if I was going to do okay. You know, it was, it was kind of hard to, what are you, you know, I realize it's still a ways out, but it's not that far away. What are you kind of, Oh, and actually you date Claremont who did it twice and did it really, really well. So I'm sure he's been really valuable as well for information. But what are you kind of most worried about?

3 (27m 43s):
Hmm? About? Yeah, the tiredness, the flying in super hard conditions with a soulless a sleep hours. So I think in you, you really got yourself into your, your limits on your reserves. And I think when you're tired, maybe you just like, yeah, it's super hard. This, this, um, I was talking with an RN in a few months ago and he said, Oh yeah, this place, I know I was the, he was a guy talking to a place next to my home, my home.

3 (28m 17s):
I fell asleep in 2015. They're not come on. So I mean that's something, yeah, I have no idea if I can handle it and yeah. Otherwise the, the aspect of flying in super turbulent conditions. But yeah, I think it's also something I got to train and, uh, also for the confidence I will, if I, if a scribe, I will really get a close to Tomas for one year, try to really prepare myself as well as possible.

2 (28m 51s):
Do you know who your team would be yet, if you given that any thought?

3 (28m 55s):
So hopefully Michael Witschi and uh, I have a good friend also here is a super monthly Witschi motivated one is called a Royal bullshit is um, is a pilot like tandem pilots doing a bit of acro but there's also a super good a sports runner and ski to her and so on and so on. The sports side is super motivated so that's good.

2 (29m 23s):
Um, I had a really special time with Michael in 2015. The second day we walked down off of Ash out together cause we all got there when I got there in the night before. And then those Aaron Durga Gotti and he and a bunch of others came up that morning and it was all stormy and nasty and they remember, Oh my gosh, my supporter, Bruce was just like, you got to go down. It's terrible. It's tons of wind and all of this and gas Bard kept coming over to me and pulling me away from everybody and he goes, you should wait.

2 (29m 56s):
It's going to get good. You should wait. It's going to get good. And I was like, how is it? There's no way it's going to get good dumping rain. It's awful. And so we all walked down and I had a great talk with Michael about him being an engineer and everything. We had a nice walk together and then gas Bard flew right over our head like an hour later. Like how did you know that? I later found out that he had a weather team and all that. How about that would you, will you have a dedicated weather team sitting looking at servers and you know there's, I think that's what Google does in several of them.

2 (30m 28s):
I've done that now in 2017 and 2019 and I'm really on the fence really actually if I'll do that again. But at what, what will your approach be with,

3 (30m 38s):
Yeah, I think it's the most important part of the thing is to be a in the right, right time in the right place and for that you all, you really have to know what's going on with the weather. And I think, I'm not such an expert, so I will definitely request some people to give daily reports. And to be joinable when, when I need, if I have any questions and so on, I think it's the best way to have them because there's not much sense to bring them together.

3 (31m 8s):
So yeah, I'll try that.

2 (31m 10s):
In what, what do you see yourself flying if you had to make, if you had to make a decision now and there might be something I'm new out by then, but what, what gear would you probably use?

3 (31m 21s):
I will definitely get the take the lights. I bought it last winter and I did one flight with it. So it was a whole, yeah, 199 kilometers. So just before they said that we should stop flying.

2 (31m 37s):

3 (31m 39s):
And actually it's an incredible glider. Like it's super, I find it super easy. So yeah, it brings back all the feelings and yeah, I really liked it. Super performance also.

2 (31m 53s):
Yeah. Yeah. No, it's, and it's a great, great wing. Uh, switching gears to your comp flying, you've been, you said you started kinda of getting into comps in 2015 though, right? Yeah. You've really, I've been watching you over the last couple of years. You really turned on double there with the comp flying. Take me through that progression a little bit. How, how has your approach been? How did you, how did you kind of start figuring it out? Making it click?

3 (32m 20s):
I think the more you fly at, the better you get doing a lot of times. So in all kinds of different terrains brings me a lot of knowledge and then you use, you don't think about them anymore, but you have them and a half. I think that's really something you, you learn by experience. That's a big part of it. And ah, as we mentioned, uh, just before we thought we told us that the work we did together was a, was really important for me.

3 (32m 51s):
So yeah, I think it, it's half of the, of the thing that my progression got good. And yeah,

2 (33m 1s):
If you've been flying a lot in the Swiss league.

3 (33m 5s):
Yeah. And as much as I can. So we do some trainings and some local competitions. So on, we can say we've been doing a lot of them. So when the ski season is over and that's pretty good because there is always good pilots in Switzerland and you always learn also. And the, the team leader is always doing some deep debriefings with the winds and with uh, with the options. And it's super, super interesting.

2 (33m 37s):
How does the Swiss team approach passing on knowledge to all of you? Is it, it seems quite organized to me and like what the Swiss league that you're all there really, it seems to be that they're really building everybody up.

3 (33m 51s):
Uh, it's, it's hard to say. I think, um, I think Maura is that, its just like in another country is like the people who are involved in motivated, they get good. And uh, I think also some people they like to share things and some others are more, yeah, they say it a bit less and they just let you go by yourself. So I think it's, it's not so organized. Like, I don't know. I think, yeah. The, when you're motivated the, in any country you are, if you have the infrastructure or training and doing some comps, you will get better.

2 (34m 31s):
How does, how does comp training look for you?

3 (34m 35s):
Oh, you mean when I'm not tying in a real company?

2 (34m 38s):
Yeah, I mean how do you, how are you preparing for say the super final or a world cup or you know, if we, if we were in real time right now and covert wasn't happening, how would you be preparing for the world cup in Passie?

3 (34m 52s):
Uh, as it's really close to my house. So I would go there and try to train a bit there because it's an interesting place in Brazil also. And it's more like looking the uh, the old trucks on the, sorry, under the previous compositions to see what, what are they, a bit of a, the normal tasks they set and yeah, it's more like small like that. And then you just fly to, to the first days before the comp and set your marks and then you got to go.

2 (35m 28s):
When you look at your results. And I'm not necessarily, I don't necessarily mean ranking. And the world cup. But when you look back at the times where you feel like that's, that's where I really flew. Well versus other times where it didn't really fly. If you've been able to find a common thread.

3 (35m 50s):
Not really because it's scan. Yeah. The last come that I didn't fly well was the world cup in kill the SOA last year. And I mean it was hard to put it out to analyze what was going on because I was playing well and I just, they at this end, the speed section, which is super tricky and I bombed up twice in the, in the spirit section and it's like, I wouldn't say its, it's a um, um, When you have a chance and when you don't have it like yeah, I would, but yeah, I could not really analyze it properly.

3 (36m 33s):
What's, what was wrong from my side. And uh, yeah that was pretty hard. But otherwise, you know, every comp I got better and I got a good rankings and if I don't have good ranking at the end, I still do like super nice to ask. And I know what are my weaknesses. Like when I'm

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3 (36m 54s):
Sometimes I'm too optimistic and I'm don't, I'm not checking enough. The sign that shows that it's going to get trickier. So on. That's the anticipation. And that's really something I have to get better at it.

2 (37m 8s):
Kriegel I don't know if you listened to the show I did with Kriegel and then we did a, we did the followup with a bunch of the X Alps athletes and we've actually got another one of those coming out here pretty soon that I recorded ages ago, but we just haven't put it up yet. But Kriegel talks about the benefits of gambling, you know, taking a chance, taking risks, you know, and if you, if you gamble 10 times and you win eight, that's better than only gambling four times in winning four in, in, in, uh, in, in other words, it pays off in something like the X Alps to take chances and to not take sporting chances, not chances with your life, but take sporting chances.

2 (37m 52s):
It's very easy to go deep and take chance when you're not in the race. But when you're in the race and going off course line 20 Kay to chase a cloud street, it really makes sense. It's visual. It's what you would normally do if you were just flying from Verbier and you're flying to fish tomorrow and on a good day, you know what you need to do to get there. Uh, and you're okay with that because you don't care if you land cause you can walk. It's not a big deal. But in the X Alps it's like, man, if I put it down at noon and miss two hours of the good part of the day, it's a big penalty.

2 (38m 32s):
It's not just a physical penalty, it's a mental penalty. And it's just, I find that I get more and more boxed in as the race goes on. It just takes, it's committing, doing those, if you thought about that at all in how you'll approach that.

3 (38m 49s):
Yeah. And I thought about that, that I also thought straight away that it was something I had to go to the, this is exactly what Thomas like to have some small book of rules and to analyze which option is a yeah. With how many points you can take on the disruption on the eruption and or something like that. I don't know exactly, but I really think it's something you have to think about it and not take it like just spontaneously.

3 (39m 20s):
Um, because it's too, yeah,

2 (39m 24s):
It's still painful book of rules. That sounds interesting. Tell me about that.

3 (39m 31s):
Yeah, it's, it's how I imagine the thing, you know, it's like a checklist or something that, that you just, yeah, let's go, let's go somewhere else. You know, and you, you can compare both, uh, perceptions.

2 (39m 46s):
Okay. So pretend that we're not on a big public form and everybody's listening to this, uh, how, and given Thomas saying having a position goal is completely stupid, but what will your goals be for the X Alps

3 (40m 6s):
You know, as a, as a woman, it's like, it's hard to imagine what they can do because there is no many women competing and so on. And I know that I will not be as strong as most of the men, but yeah, my goal is really to go as fast as possible as far as possible. Like you cannot say I want to go to in Monaco, but you want to, you want to say, yeah, I want to go. So as far as I can and also like be, be fit at the end of the race, so not be destroyed physically.

3 (40m 44s):
What about fun? Fun is flying.

2 (40m 48s):
What if it's like 2017 or you can't fly a

3 (40m 51s):
Place of the world and then, yeah, I remember a video a few. That was the, after the divorce in 2015 I think you didn't have so much fun.

2 (41m 3s):
Oh my God. Yeah, I was, I went from having a banner Epic, beautiful day where it was like, Oh, I'm going to get to Monaco, no problem. And the, the two guys behind me just had no chance to catch up. But I was, you know, I had whatever it was, I had seven flight locked up and then Whoa. Did things change for me in the span of very few minutes? Yeah, that was OK. That's a good question. Kriegel famously doesn't scout and really any of the race beforehand.

2 (41m 33s):
I learned that from him. And in 2015 you know, he doesn't spend the many of the pilots, they're the ones that have the time, well you know, they are in their teams will go learn parts of the course and fly as much as they can. How will your approach be? Cause Kriegel doesn't do that.

3 (41m 51s):
It's hard to say. I think I would still, I would try to get as much as informations from the locals because I think it's, they know which, which state, which conditions to the place is good or not. And I also think I will go and check a bit because yeah, it's for me for sure. It will be helpful to not only Google there's, I had to add. So yeah, I will definitely go in and check.

2 (42m 23s):
What does your year look like between now and next? I don't know if they're having June or July, we don't know yet. But let's assume we weren't dealing with Corona right now, but what, what did it look like? What, what were you planning on, you know, give me the kind of highlights of the year.

3 (42m 43s):
Yeah. And I really want focus, um, also, and um, actually before the whole thing started, I wanted to turn this year a really professional in summer. So not to do any tendons anymore because it's always like you said to the boss, you're there and then there is a super nice day and you cannot, you are flying up and down tendons when you can do 250 calories. And I really want to fly more like for fun, for, not in competition but cross country.

3 (43m 18s):
So I want it to turn professional for that. And yet, now let's see, with all these things, I did think it's going to be difficult, but yeah, I want it to take more and more time for a cross country and also to train a lot physically for what's ahead and they have this uh, air through. We're in in June only and then the European championships. And then I will do only one world cup this year. So it might be either Jimena or a decent is, I will see it for the moment.

3 (43m 55s):
It's hard to say.

2 (43m 57s):
Yeah, exactly. For everybody right now. Who knows. Um, and then you said you're going to probably return to Brazil.

3 (44m 3s):
Yeah, I hope so. I hope so. I will go again with the Swiss league. So let's see if they still want me to, to be in the, in the team there because yeah, I have the world record now and yeah, maybe then they don't think it's good to, they will let us the chance to somebody else. I don't know. But uh, yeah, I think now we have more experience and I really think we can, we can do better. So, yeah, let's hope I can go back in there.

2 (44m 33s):
Mm Yael your, your, your boyfriend has done very well in the X Alps in 2011 and 13 or no, 2013, 15. Yeah. Okay. Nope. Oh yeah. It's 2015 he got injured and he wasn't able to start. Uh, what have you learned from him? Well, what would of his advice has been for getting ready and for doing well?

3 (44m 59s):
Um, yeah, we discussed the bus about a lot of things about the more, the logistic aspect and so on. So it's quite helpful and um, I think that excites is getting more and more professional. Like they're, there is no, yeah, the teams are more and more good built and at the time he was there, I think it was still like a bit of a freestyle is a super good athlete.

3 (45m 30s):
But I mean, yeah, I think it wasn't super easy for the team. So yeah. And we also talk about what, what you, how you should approach the thing with the also, um, checking the route and so on. So yeah, it be interesting.

2 (45m 47s):
Tell me about that, that, that is interesting. How does, what is he, what's the best homework you can do for the route?

3 (45m 54s):
Uh, is a pretty good, I'm a user of Google earth. I have a, with my laptop is a bit harder but is using it to really well. And so we are checking and also for the triangles or any exit plans we have. So we check the route and it's, it's super interesting. So that's mostly how it does. And yeah, when he went to the Excel center he was also going to to the places and checking.

2 (46m 27s):
Yeah, that was one thing. I mean I'm sure you've noticed this and because you took part in 2015, that's been something that's completely blown my mind in 2015 and I've said this many times and I apologize to the listener, I know you've heard this a bunch, but in 2015, uh, the mistakes we made and I made were so many there. They're just, there's too many to even put down on paper. You know, we did this big feedback thing at the end and evaluated all of our moves and stuff, and it was just a mistake after mistake after mistake.

2 (46m 58s):
And they were all totally legitimate. Find mistakes. We were comfortable making them because we were new. We didn't know what we were doing, and yet it's, you could still make all those mistakes in 2015 and still do. OK. And now it's, the pace is unbelievable. It's just gotten so much faster. I'm going to say it's probably 30% may, I don't know exactly, but it's, the pace of the top 20 teams is, is unbelievable, is just an incredible, it's amazing how fast and how prepared and how logistically prepared and the whole thing.

2 (47m 39s):
It's just, it's really,

3 (47m 39s):
Yeah. Yeah. I think so too. So that's why I said, now it's getting, I think for the, for the team also, it's good if we have a good preparation together and yeah, of course. And things.

2 (47m 56s):
That's a lot of the fun though too. The preparations. Fantastic. You know, it's, that's a, you know, it's not just the race, it's the whole, it's the whole gamut of the, the beginning of the end and it doesn't end at the end of the race either. Yael that was great. Uh, a fantastic to see you. Its been a while and I hope that we all get back to the skies here soon and Witschi the very best in your training and your preparation and congratulations on the world record.

2 (48m 27s):
Well it's Epic and

3 (48m 29s):
I can show you, I just got the thing I like a one week ago this

2 (48m 35s):
Yay diploma. Fantastic. Wow. How, how, how far was it? I know it was 500 but it was 500 and some odd write in striking distance is a 531 fantastic, fantastic. Using TriPoint is a 552 so he did a big banana as you do down there. Manny. Feick fantastic. Well thank you very much. Bye. Thanks to you

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